Truth is Unconstitutional

Instead of knowing little more about our country’s history  than what can be found in school books and what other people have said, retirement has provided time to read things  for myself. It turns out that those efforts to satisfy personal curiosity have led to an understanding of Thomas Jefferson’s warning:

“A nation that expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of society, expects what never was and never will be”…. By ignorance, of course, he meant the absence of knowledge.

Please allow the offering of an example that has an application to current events.

As most are probably aware, folks with certain spiritual persuasions are often vociferously reminded that public expressions of those beliefs must be constrained in the public square and definitely withheld from the minds of our youth in their public education.

Now let’s suppose that a public official was invited to present an address of a historical nature to the school children of our county, and his speech included these statements:

“Every step by which the people of the British colonies became an independent nation seems to have been aided by an invisible supernatural hand. No people can be bound to acknowledge and love the power of God more than those of the United States.Of all the things which support a successful government, religion and morality are indispensable. We must be very cautious when we are tempted to believe that morality can be maintained without religion. Both reason and experience forbid the expectation that there can be national morality without religious principle.”

If such remarks were delivered to our children, or presented in the classroom, we may rest assured that, by and by, some strong public complaints would be forthcoming. However, should we tamely comply with those objections, there would arise another problem.

We would be confronted with the task of scrubbing from historical records George Washington’s First Inaugural Address and his Farewell Address to the Nation.

(Minor grammatical adjustments have been made to the preceding quotations in order to give the appearance of emanating from the thoughts of an old retired coach.)

 

 

 

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8 Responses to Truth is Unconstitutional

  1. Bruce says:

    Reblogged this on Church, State, Faith and Culture and commented:
    Another guest blog today from a thoughtful and articulate gentleman.

  2. Bruce says:

    Your posts may be rare but they are always gems. Reblogged this one on my other blog.

    • billover70 says:

      Bruce, thanks for your interest, comment & reblogging…. My trips to the old “WordPresser” have been somewhat rare for a few months because of other projects & events…. I will probably cast a few more thoughts upon the waters shortly.

  3. Suppose another public official presented an address to some schoolchildren and said “the same God which helped the British colonies achieve independence also commands that girls should be fully veiled outdoors at all times, for such is it written in the Koran.”

    I guess you’d be pretty worried by that. But since the public official in my example and the one in yours are both sincerely convinced of their beliefs, then who’s going to decide between them?

    Secularism (the idea that religion ought to be kept out of public spaces) isn’t there as a way of beating of Christians or people of any other faith. It’s there to provide for mutual co-operation and understanding between them.

    • billover70 says:

      Atheism… Thanks for reading the post and taking time to respond… The point of the post was to cite valid public statements made by the person who presided over the creation of the document that is supposed to be the supreme law of our country. He was indeed the first chief executive to administer those duties…. and… to note that same man would be condemned as being in punishable violation if he made the same statements today…. This is true only because of the inadequacy and/or politically correct complicity of our educational system………….. The objective here is to have truth taught to our children….. And…. if you or anyone else can produce evidence of any of the founders quoting the Qur’an, then that should be taught also….. It just happens that the people who established this form of government were in predominate agreement in the existence of a supernatural, superintending entity and relied on aid from that source….. Nowhere in any historical record was the USA considered to have been established and populated by people of any faith other than Judeo Christian…. not Moslem, Buddhist, Hindu or even atheist (since that is faith that there is nothing in which to have faith)… See Lies From The Pit of Hell for another thousand or so words…. This is offered as thoughts from one human to another.

      • I take your point that on the face of it, it seems somewhat odd that the founders of the nation would be criticised by their own people were they alive today.

        On the other hand, when you consider that many of the founding fathers were slave-owners, perhaps it does not seem so odd.

        The argument gets even muddier when you consider the first amendment, written by those same founding fathers, which prevents the establishment of religion. It seems to me that although George Washington was a Christian, he was not in favour of pushing Christianity in schools.

        Going back to your original post, I cannot help but think that the father of the nation would be one of the first people to write in and complain about your public official.

        You might find it odd to think that George Washington could complain about the teaching of the very words that he spoke, but the key point is the context. Were he here now, I suspect that he would argue that children should very well learn all about his speeches – even the ones involving God. But what should NOT happen is that those speeches should be elevated in schools to the status of a truth which precludes the claims of all other religions (or non-religious belief systems). Hopefully that makes some kind of sense.

  4. billover70 says:

    Atheism… Thank you for your thoughtful reply… There is only one remark that draws a mild rebuke from here..
    i.e., “… many of the founding fathers were slave owners”…First, it has zilch to do with the post, and second, that tends to place a person in the category of those who routinely attack the founding of our country (with Lord knows what intent)….. I am not sensible that you belong in that group…. Just a note: Of the 55 delegates who struggled with the construction, Old Bill could only find 12 that owned slaves at the time of the Convention.
    Methinks that other opinions you shared have been formed from incomplete or incorrect information (Please take note of that sentence).

    1. The language of the 1st Amendment clearly and explicitly addresses laws passed by the US Congress… nothing else.
    2. Being an amendment, it was approved by all of the people through their representatives, not by the few we call the “founders”.
    3. Geo. Washington was not necessarily a “Christian”.
    4. What documentation can be cited that supports, “…he was not in favor of pushing Christianity in schools”?…. and…. “…(he) would be one of the first people to write in and complain”?… If no record can be produced to indicate Washington’s concurrence with those opinions, one would necessarily be placed in the position of wishing them to be true, but having no basis in fact.
    5. The final demurral was the assertion that somewhere in the original post by Old Bill there was a claim that some religion was to be elevated to a “status of truth which precludes the claims of all other religions…” …Please reread the post and quote the names of the religion so elevated and the religions so precluded. Surely you realize that this is what is known as a “straw man”.

    This may quite well appear self serving, but if you can find the time to struggle through billover70’s “Slavery Considered” and “Lies From The Pit Of Hell”, you may understand from whence came the post that is now under discussion.

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